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It should be pointed out that dogs are not allowed in RMNP. Violating the rules could potentially endanger access for all of us.
I thought it was a rat.
I like and respect Daniel but I wish he and the filmmaker would’ve A- not broken the rules and brought a dog into the park and, barring that, B- not made a video of it showing everyone that they broke the rules.
What a crazy move…throwing to where you’re toe hooking and releasing the toe hook mid throw. I dont recall ever seeing that before
It went a little more under the radar since he didn’t send, but there’s video of Nakajima doing the move the same way as well: http://climbingnarc.com/videos/toru-nakajima-bouldering-in-colorado/
I guess Dave is just that mcuh taller / bigger wingspan. He managed a hand toe match in the same spot. That, or he was toe hooking on nothing…. he is a wizard afterall.
Another thing! Daniel climbed down that Aspen tree on more than one occasion. Repeatedly climbing trees this way will hurt or even kill trees! What if every visitor in the park did this? Shame on you Daniel and your little dog.
Sometimes that is the better option (no safe downclimb or spot to jump from) and you have to but you raise a good point. Climbers often don’t consider what their individual actions amount to in the long term. It can be said for downclimbing trees (bark removal can be very stressful) as well as dragging pads around (can lead to massive erosion over a long enough time span).
Cmon its a forest. There’s literally millions of trees. Climbers wont be going near 99.999999% of them. I know that sounds insensitive, but you gotta be realistic every so often.
Sure, but that’s climbers. Then you take into consideration everyone else who walks through a forest. The point is to make as little impact as possible right? Or at least that should be the idea? So if it is at all possible to avoid degrading the environment when you’re climbing, I still don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to do it. Just because it’s one out of a million trees doesn’t make it any better.
I understand what you’re saying, but we have to face facts – humans are destructive. That doesnt mean we shouldnt try and minimize our impact, but at least we should acknowledge our nature. Climbing is destructive. Hiking is destructive. The damage to the rock is immense, but not many ppl think/care about that, but it does involve destruction of lichen and moss and habitat. But nature regenerates. The bottom line is that we shouldnt avoid going out and enjoying ourselves in nature. But there’s a need to regulate honeypot destinations I agree.
Sorry to be argumentative, I dont mean to be, you make a perfectly good point. I just think some honesty is an important perspective that is often missing from ecological discussions. When people see the damage caused by high impact recreations like 4 wheeling they get up on their high horse, but often ignore that doing anything outdoors is impactful.
i cant believe you guys are seriously getting upset over down climbing a tree and bringing a small dog into a park. Didnt realize climbers are also park nazis. relax. you should be more considered with how fucking sick that toe hook move was.
You don’t have to be a “nazi” to expect that people follow rules, especially when they are professional climbers having their efforts filmed.
@rumpleminze I think you mean “considerate,” and while I’m sure the dog did minimal harm, we already know that RMNP rangers peruse message boards from time to time. Who’s to say they won’t see this video at some point? It makes the climbing community look bad and makes climbing access more tenuous.
I can’t believe your screen name is rumpleminze- maybe we should call you Chad instead…
It’s not about being a “park nazi”. It’s about the fact that access issues can change the climbing landscape dramatically because of something that some people may view as stupid. I think the other problem is that a lot of these comments seem to be centered around what you can get away with, how people might get caught, and what has happened when they did. What about the leave no trace ideal? Sure, that dog might have done no more than dig a hole and poop under a bush, but what I’m trying to say is that a broader appreciation not only for the rules but the environmental impact of our activities is important to take into consideration. The only negatives to exceeding the standards laid out (in park rules for instance) is that we have to put more effort into cleaning up and be more cognizant of the impact of what we do out in the woods. I think that’s pretty outweighed by the positives of 1) cleaner climbing areas, 2) maintenance of access, 3) positive public perception of the climbing community, 4) preservation of areas for others to enjoy in perpetuity.
Plus, if you stepped in that dog poop after you struggled to put your Solutions sized down 4 times from your street shoe, you might get a little upset too.
I totally get what you’re saying, but the bottom line is that not following the rules endangers our access and at the very least gives the impression that climbers are irresponsible.
I’m pretty impressed with the general disregard for the rules these “ambassadors” for our sport have been showing recently. Didn’t Paul Robinson put up some hard problems this summer in a closed area in South Africa then take Ashima there? Remember when Dean Potter climbed Delicate Arch? Patagonia dropped his ass ASAP!
I completely agree that a) one dog in the woods is not a problem, b) broad policies sometimes seem silly on the local level, and c) stupid rules are sometimes fun and easy to break.
Also, that a) if we don’t follow them, life gets harder for everyone, b) paid professionals do set the standards on behavior and ethics (at least, within the realm of the sport), and c) filming yourself breaking a rule is the stupidest thing you can do.
Regarding the tree downclimb comment, I would only note that sneaky trolls are sneaky.
Under normal conditions the boulder has an easy down climb. However with the snow that down climb is made almost impossible, making the tree a temporary solution.
That is really cool to see someone climb something so hard, so crisply. Also, what a crazy toe hook move! Just a fantastic display of a long devotion to and love of climbing IMO.
Why are we talking about a damn dog when Daniel just sent a V14 in the snow with an insanely crazy toe hook?
Because access and environmental stewardship are more important to most people than someone repeating a v14.
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