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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Fifty Words&#8230;&#8221; &amp; Horseshoe Canyon Ranch Sneak Peak</title>
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		<title>By: Fifty Words For Chump&#160;&#124;&#160;Climbing Narcissist</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3592</link>
		<dc:creator>Fifty Words For Chump&#160;&#124;&#160;Climbing Narcissist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple of weeks back, there was a minor controversy at the Red River Gorge in Kentucky where two of the bolt hangers on Fifty Words For Pump (5.14c) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sock hands</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3446</link>
		<dc:creator>sock hands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m just freaking out on obama overload x10, though i&#039;m psyched for bits and pieces of it.</description>
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		<title>By: sweatpants</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3441</link>
		<dc:creator>sweatpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just trying to hint at u being a kid toucher under the comedic guise of sport climbing accessories... but yeah taxes are cool too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just trying to hint at u being a kid toucher under the comedic guise of sport climbing accessories&#8230; but yeah taxes are cool too.</p>
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		<title>By: sock hands</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3439</link>
		<dc:creator>sock hands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>although i&#039;m certainly willing to discuss the above topics with those more left at any time in a cordial way, while being respectful and listening to the arguments for a more socialist state as long as my arguments are similarly respected, therefore coming to some mutual conclusions that may make everyone happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although i&#8217;m certainly willing to discuss the above topics with those more left at any time in a cordial way, while being respectful and listening to the arguments for a more socialist state as long as my arguments are similarly respected, therefore coming to some mutual conclusions that may make everyone happy.</p>
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		<title>By: sock hands</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3438</link>
		<dc:creator>sock hands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, you&#039;re confusing me with Acorn&#039;s tactics to get more warm bodies to vote.  all the kiddies were given fake IDs, icecream, and an obama action figure that has an inaccurate, yet mesmerizing money shooting flamethrower, and hopelessly lackluster basketball skills despite a good trash talking mouth.

!




[note: sockhands fully supports social change throught the provision of liberties and re-allocating war spending to address domestic issues such as education and environmental policy reform/implementation, corporate fraud, and the repugnant salaries of hollywood celebrities and baseball players, yet sockhands is very fiscally conservative and therefore is a fence dweller on political issues since he does believe in social liberties, but he does not believe that his colleagues who work harder than him should be taxed at a higher rate after having devoted their entire lives to their careers to the exclusion of many other enjoyments of life...and sock hands does not believe his elderly clients who worked their entire lives to create a nest egg should be taxed at the proposed higher capital gains rates during the balance of their lives or that their children and grandchildren should have to pay 45% tax on their inheritance that is over the estate tax exclusion, which may be significantly reduced under a democratic regime, thereby wiping out even more that someone can give to their children, including the family ranch that has a high appraised value despite the cash-poor nature of the business, therefore requireing the subdivision and sale of the historic family property. sockhands also finds it hard to swallow that a national health care system would be more efficient than his goddamn HMO that makes him wait 2 months to see a doctor who thinks his concerns are *no big deal* but then performs a biopsy anyway because sockhands demands it and such biopsy comes back from the lab positive and therefore sockhands, because of his own insistance, probably saved himself from developing skin cancer that would require an icecream scoop to remove later in life, if *lucky*...goddamn HMOs!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, you&#8217;re confusing me with Acorn&#8217;s tactics to get more warm bodies to vote.  all the kiddies were given fake IDs, icecream, and an obama action figure that has an inaccurate, yet mesmerizing money shooting flamethrower, and hopelessly lackluster basketball skills despite a good trash talking mouth.</p>
<p>!</p>
<p>[note: sockhands fully supports social change throught the provision of liberties and re-allocating war spending to address domestic issues such as education and environmental policy reform/implementation, corporate fraud, and the repugnant salaries of hollywood celebrities and baseball players, yet sockhands is very fiscally conservative and therefore is a fence dweller on political issues since he does believe in social liberties, but he does not believe that his colleagues who work harder than him should be taxed at a higher rate after having devoted their entire lives to their careers to the exclusion of many other enjoyments of life...and sock hands does not believe his elderly clients who worked their entire lives to create a nest egg should be taxed at the proposed higher capital gains rates during the balance of their lives or that their children and grandchildren should have to pay 45% tax on their inheritance that is over the estate tax exclusion, which may be significantly reduced under a democratic regime, thereby wiping out even more that someone can give to their children, including the family ranch that has a high appraised value despite the cash-poor nature of the business, therefore requireing the subdivision and sale of the historic family property. sockhands also finds it hard to swallow that a national health care system would be more efficient than his goddamn HMO that makes him wait 2 months to see a doctor who thinks his concerns are *no big deal* but then performs a biopsy anyway because sockhands demands it and such biopsy comes back from the lab positive and therefore sockhands, because of his own insistance, probably saved himself from developing skin cancer that would require an icecream scoop to remove later in life, if *lucky*...goddamn HMOs!]</p>
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		<title>By: sweatpants</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3436</link>
		<dc:creator>sweatpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>never... 

In other news Sock Hands was caught outside a local elementry school trying to sell ice cream cones, ropes, and quickdraws to students out of a creepy old white van...

I for one will say that we as a climbing community should not stand for this kind of behavior! Currupting our youth with thoughts of climbing routes.  He was probably telling kids how &#039;rad&#039; the red was. As far as I&#039;m concerned I&#039;m appauled.  Those sweet imprecionable little kids. You bastard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>never&#8230; </p>
<p>In other news Sock Hands was caught outside a local elementry school trying to sell ice cream cones, ropes, and quickdraws to students out of a creepy old white van&#8230;</p>
<p>I for one will say that we as a climbing community should not stand for this kind of behavior! Currupting our youth with thoughts of climbing routes.  He was probably telling kids how &#8216;rad&#8217; the red was. As far as I&#8217;m concerned I&#8217;m appauled.  Those sweet imprecionable little kids. You bastard.</p>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3435</link>
		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when were reliable facts required before launching internet character attacks??</description>
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		<title>By: sock hands</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3430</link>
		<dc:creator>sock hands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. was a lot of mescaline done in the rrg?  how is the armchair climbing public supposed to make important internet character attacks if we&#039;re not fed with reliable facts?  judge judy or thunderdome this crazyness, narc.

regardless, and it&#039;s been said x10000, it seems like someone who thinks they know who took their draws should take it up with that fool directly instead of taking hammer to hanger/rock.

i&#039;d figure that if draws got nabbed once, i&#039;d be inclined to clean up my toys after every play date w/ the route rather than leaving them up to be taken six more times? wtf?

like most things in the climbing world, perhaps i just have no clue and am speaking out of ignorance, but seriously, that&#039;s very strange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. was a lot of mescaline done in the rrg?  how is the armchair climbing public supposed to make important internet character attacks if we&#8217;re not fed with reliable facts?  judge judy or thunderdome this crazyness, narc.</p>
<p>regardless, and it&#8217;s been said x10000, it seems like someone who thinks they know who took their draws should take it up with that fool directly instead of taking hammer to hanger/rock.</p>
<p>i&#8217;d figure that if draws got nabbed once, i&#8217;d be inclined to clean up my toys after every play date w/ the route rather than leaving them up to be taken six more times? wtf?</p>
<p>like most things in the climbing world, perhaps i just have no clue and am speaking out of ignorance, but seriously, that&#8217;s very strange.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kinder</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3427</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Kinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never took any draws.  HILARIOUS how screwed up things get.....I never made photos on that route either. Facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never took any draws.  HILARIOUS how screwed up things get&#8230;..I never made photos on that route either. Facts.</p>
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		<title>By: sock hands</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3413</link>
		<dc:creator>sock hands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sport climbing *in colorado* is for dummies. rrg is actually quite rad. 

NEVER MENTION THAT I SAID THIS SECOND STATEMENT EVAR OR DIE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sport climbing *in colorado* is for dummies. rrg is actually quite rad. </p>
<p>NEVER MENTION THAT I SAID THIS SECOND STATEMENT EVAR OR DIE!</p>
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		<title>By: sweatpants</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3406</link>
		<dc:creator>sweatpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lesson learned... dont sport climb cause only dummies do that and eat dryer sheets by the box for sweet smelling deuces.</description>
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		<title>By: Danny C</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3405</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day, bashing bolts wrecks things for everyone...</description>
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		<title>By: JE</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3404</link>
		<dc:creator>JE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does the General say in first Star Wars movie?
&quot;this bickering is pointless&quot;?</description>
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&#8220;this bickering is pointless&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: You Know Who I 'Am'</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3403</link>
		<dc:creator>You Know Who I 'Am'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to agree with Sock Hands.  Respect works both ways.  Such a trivial situation blown out of proportion.  Remove the draws for the photos, replace them when done...no problem.  

And who says women are the source of drama??  Come on, boys! 

Oh, and Kevlar...shouldn&#039;t you be doing school things, like studying?!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with Sock Hands.  Respect works both ways.  Such a trivial situation blown out of proportion.  Remove the draws for the photos, replace them when done&#8230;no problem.  </p>
<p>And who says women are the source of drama??  Come on, boys! </p>
<p>Oh, and Kevlar&#8230;shouldn&#8217;t you be doing school things, like studying?!  <img src='http://climbingnarc.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3402</link>
		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the basher clown&quot; says the draws were never returned, apparently in the possession of some mystery &quot;draw stealer clown&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: sock hands</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3401</link>
		<dc:creator>sock hands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yet the basher clown says &quot;stealing&quot; repeatedly on that rrg page.  if the draws were returned before the bashing, he should choke himself.  if joe was taking the draws off, then i&#039;d say that he should be respectful and have replaced them after the photo shoot.  respect goes both ways, even if you have personal issues with someone.  unlike crashpads stashed in an area, there has been little fallout from land managers when sport climbers leave draws on a climb... with that being the only compelling reason to remove the draws and not replace them, it is common sense and important that joe would replace the moved draws any time he took them off the adjacent bolts after the shoot was through.

seems like my list of sport climbers deserving a quick punch in the nuts has grown.  this &#039;controversy&#039; is retarded on all fronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yet the basher clown says &#8220;stealing&#8221; repeatedly on that rrg page.  if the draws were returned before the bashing, he should choke himself.  if joe was taking the draws off, then i&#8217;d say that he should be respectful and have replaced them after the photo shoot.  respect goes both ways, even if you have personal issues with someone.  unlike crashpads stashed in an area, there has been little fallout from land managers when sport climbers leave draws on a climb&#8230; with that being the only compelling reason to remove the draws and not replace them, it is common sense and important that joe would replace the moved draws any time he took them off the adjacent bolts after the shoot was through.</p>
<p>seems like my list of sport climbers deserving a quick punch in the nuts has grown.  this &#8216;controversy&#8217; is retarded on all fronts.</p>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3400</link>
		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jake - First off, Joe denies any draw stealing.  The allegation is that he was taking the draws off to make for prettier photos of him climbing his version...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake &#8211; First off, Joe denies any draw stealing.  The allegation is that he was taking the draws off to make for prettier photos of him climbing his version&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3399</link>
		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did not.  Many of those problems are not at HCR itself, but rather they are at areas nearby.  The one&#039;s that are at HCR were not at the areas we climbed at, or I didn&#039;t notice them.  Slightly bummed that I didn&#039;t get to fondle any double digit problems...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did not.  Many of those problems are not at HCR itself, but rather they are at areas nearby.  The one&#8217;s that are at HCR were not at the areas we climbed at, or I didn&#8217;t notice them.  Slightly bummed that I didn&#8217;t get to fondle any double digit problems&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3398</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would Joe Kinder be stealing draws? Petzl won&#039;t give him any?</description>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3397</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian did you see the stuff from Dosage 5? any thoughts on that?</description>
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		<title>By: Kevlar</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3388</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevlar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put. Im excited to see our pictures. 

&quot;50 words&quot;- this whole ordeal is incredibly disrespectful in my eyes. Even if kinder had been stealing draws, im sure their is some other way to deal with this, and i take it that their is other people working it that don&#039;t appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put. Im excited to see our pictures. </p>
<p>&#8220;50 words&#8221;- this whole ordeal is incredibly disrespectful in my eyes. Even if kinder had been stealing draws, im sure their is some other way to deal with this, and i take it that their is other people working it that don&#8217;t appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3385</link>
		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DING DING DING!  We have a winner...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DING DING DING!  We have a winner&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dachoppera</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/11/fifty-words-and-horseshoe-canyon-ranch-sneak-peak/comment-page-1/#comment-3383</link>
		<dc:creator>dachoppera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hcr bouldering is kinda overhyped...it&#039;s less dense than you would think and the sandstone pales in comparison to the deep south. but there are some really good lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hcr bouldering is kinda overhyped&#8230;it&#8217;s less dense than you would think and the sandstone pales in comparison to the deep south. but there are some really good lines.</p>
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