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	<title>Comments on: New Devil&#8217;s Lake Guidebook Review</title>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-6431</link>
		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a star system would be both good and bad for an area like the Lake.  I agree with &quot;God&quot; in that not having stars allows us to decide for ourselves what routes we like.  However, the problem I have is that gauging the quality of some harder routes at the Lake is pretty difficult and setting up a toprope to find out that the route sucks is time consuming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a star system would be both good and bad for an area like the Lake.  I agree with &#8220;God&#8221; in that not having stars allows us to decide for ourselves what routes we like.  However, the problem I have is that gauging the quality of some harder routes at the Lake is pretty difficult and setting up a toprope to find out that the route sucks is time consuming.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-6390</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to play devil&#039;s advocate:
let&#039;s say someone is going to be in town one day and is going to make it up to one cliff.

without some sort of star rating this climber may find it difficult to decide where to go.  maybe just a &#039;one day only, best the lake offers&#039; notation would be useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to play devil&#8217;s advocate:<br />
let&#8217;s say someone is going to be in town one day and is going to make it up to one cliff.</p>
<p>without some sort of star rating this climber may find it difficult to decide where to go.  maybe just a &#8216;one day only, best the lake offers&#8217; notation would be useful.</p>
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		<title>By: God</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-6382</link>
		<dc:creator>God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally know the guy who&#039;s been putting the Wolverine guide together.  I was on the project in the beginning, but due to work, I couldn&#039;t put in the time he needed for me to help.

Anywho, as to my comments on this guidebook, I like the fact that there are no star ratings.  No one telling me what&#039;s good and what&#039;s bad.  Nobody&#039;s OPINION fucking with my perception (or assumption) of the route.  I&#039;ve been on 4-star routes that have sucked ass and one of the best trad routes I&#039;ve ever climbed was a 3-star route.  Even if someone says, &quot;just ignore the stars and climb&quot;, you&#039;re still affected somehow.  

To make a reductio ad absurdum, it&#039;s like a sport climber who just bolted a perfectly protectable (is that a word?  I&#039;m God; I should know) and saying, &quot;well, you don&#039;t have to clip the bolts if you want to trad it.&quot;  It&#039;s a bad argument because now, there&#039;s a voice inside the back of your head telling you that there&#039;s always the option to clipping a bolt if a big/bad fall might happen.  It kinda changes the mind game.  Uh-oh.  Did I just start a sport v. trad war?  Hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally know the guy who&#8217;s been putting the Wolverine guide together.  I was on the project in the beginning, but due to work, I couldn&#8217;t put in the time he needed for me to help.</p>
<p>Anywho, as to my comments on this guidebook, I like the fact that there are no star ratings.  No one telling me what&#8217;s good and what&#8217;s bad.  Nobody&#8217;s OPINION fucking with my perception (or assumption) of the route.  I&#8217;ve been on 4-star routes that have sucked ass and one of the best trad routes I&#8217;ve ever climbed was a 3-star route.  Even if someone says, &#8220;just ignore the stars and climb&#8221;, you&#8217;re still affected somehow.  </p>
<p>To make a reductio ad absurdum, it&#8217;s like a sport climber who just bolted a perfectly protectable (is that a word?  I&#8217;m God; I should know) and saying, &#8220;well, you don&#8217;t have to clip the bolts if you want to trad it.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a bad argument because now, there&#8217;s a voice inside the back of your head telling you that there&#8217;s always the option to clipping a bolt if a big/bad fall might happen.  It kinda changes the mind game.  Uh-oh.  Did I just start a sport v. trad war?  Hehe.</p>
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		<title>By: Extremist&#8217;s Guide To Devil&#8217;s Lake New Climbs&#160;&#124;&#160;Climbing Narcissist</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3948</link>
		<dc:creator>Extremist&#8217;s Guide To Devil&#8217;s Lake New Climbs&#160;&#124;&#160;Climbing Narcissist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] toproped lines, and I suspect many others would find this interesting as well.  Unfortunately, the main guidebook for Devil&#8217;s Lake does little to nothing to share this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] toproped lines, and I suspect many others would find this interesting as well.  Unfortunately, the main guidebook for Devil&#8217;s Lake does little to nothing to share this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3071</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet.  I don&#039;t know what I would contribute but let me know if you want some uninformed, completely useless help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet.  I don&#8217;t know what I would contribute but let me know if you want some uninformed, completely useless help.</p>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3070</link>
		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is why I don&#039;t want to say too much right now. I am working with a few people though and we hope to put something together this winter. We shall see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why I don&#8217;t want to say too much right now. I am working with a few people though and we hope to put something together this winter. We shall see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3066</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, and thanks for the review.  I will undoubtedly buy the new guide, and the Wolverine guide when it comes out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, and thanks for the review.  I will undoubtedly buy the new guide, and the Wolverine guide when it comes out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How in motion are these wheels?  Not to be a pessimist, but haven&#039;t those wheels been in motion for some years?  I would be psyched to be the first in line to purchase said guide...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How in motion are these wheels?  Not to be a pessimist, but haven&#8217;t those wheels been in motion for some years?  I would be psyched to be the first in line to purchase said guide&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Narc</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>Narc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course.  It IS the perfect system isn&#039;t it???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course.  It IS the perfect system isn&#8217;t it???</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://climbingnarc.com/2008/10/new-devils-lake-guidebook-review/comment-page-1/#comment-3062</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the grades of like the 3 boulder problems in the book really still on the B scale?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the grades of like the 3 boulder problems in the book really still on the B scale?</p>
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